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Phlegm Stew ( Stu Fleming ) is making up his own quotes in Facebook RBR.
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Anton Berlin
2013-06-13 15:45:20 UTC
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Where's a source for these quotes attributed to Vaughters?

"My general opinion is that the most effective o2 vector methods of
doping have been very limited by bio passport, new methods, and
outright fear. Limited, does not mean eliminated. But if you limited
the gains made by o2 vector doping, even the 15% will not have much of
an advantage and it does not preclude a clean rider from winning.
That's my greater point, is that doping is far from gone, but it is
contained enough to allow superior physiology to win. That is a far
cry from 10 yrs ago or even 6 years ago. It's a far cry from perfect
too, I realize that. "

Nothing -
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Zip -
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z***@hotmail.com
2013-06-14 03:37:41 UTC
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Post by Anton Berlin
Where's a source for these quotes attributed to Vaughters?
"My general opinion is that the most effective o2 vector methods of
doping have been very limited by bio passport, new methods, and
outright fear. Limited, does not mean eliminated. But if you limited
the gains made by o2 vector doping, even the 15% will not have much of
an advantage and it does not preclude a clean rider from winning.
That's my greater point, is that doping is far from gone, but it is
contained enough to allow superior physiology to win. That is a far
cry from 10 yrs ago or even 6 years ago. It's a far cry from perfect
too, I realize that. "
Nothing -
https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=%22That%27s+my+greater+point%2C+is+that+doping+is+far+from+gone%22&oq=%22That%27s+my+greater+point%2C+is+that+doping+is+far+from+gone%22&gs_l=hp.3...286.286.1.736.1.1.0.0.0.0.173.173.0j1.1.0...0.0...1c.1.17.psy-ab.LCGQXqUuSKM&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47883778,d.dmQ&fp=82ff4decb236eb8c&biw=1600&bih=803
Nada -
https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=%22My+general+opinion+is+that+the+most+effective+o2+vector+methods+of+doping+have+been+very+limited+by+bio+passport%2C+new+methods%2C+and+outright+fear%22&oq=%22My+general+opinion+is+that+the+most+effective+o2+vector+methods+of+doping+have+been+very+limited+by+bio+passport%2C+new+methods%2C+and+outright+fear%22&gs_l=hp.12...44111.53669.2.55647.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.3...1c.1.17.psy-ab.nKK-GfoWT7s&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47883778,d.dmQ&fp=82ff4decb236eb8c&biw=1600&bih=803
Zip -
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If the source was up your ass you'd know.
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Anton Berlin
2013-06-15 21:04:36 UTC
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Post by z***@hotmail.com
Post by Anton Berlin
Where's a source for these quotes attributed to Vaughters?
"My general opinion is that the most effective o2 vector methods of
doping have been very limited by bio passport, new methods, and
outright fear. Limited, does not mean eliminated. But if you limited
the gains made by o2 vector doping, even the 15% will not have much of
an advantage and it does not preclude a clean rider from winning.
That's my greater point, is that doping is far from gone, but it is
contained enough to allow superior physiology to win. That is a far
cry from 10 yrs ago or even 6 years ago. It's a far cry from perfect
too, I realize that. "
Nothing -
https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=%22That%27s+my+greater+point...
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If the source was up your ass you'd know.
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Pathetic. You've lost your touch.
drmofe
2013-07-07 22:32:40 UTC
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Post by Anton Berlin
Where's a source for these quotes attributed to Vaughters?
"My general opinion is that the most effective o2 vector methods of
doping have been very limited by bio passport, new methods, and
outright fear. Limited, does not mean eliminated. But if you limited
the gains made by o2 vector doping, even the 15% will not have much of
an advantage and it does not preclude a clean rider from winning.
That's my greater point, is that doping is far from gone, but it is
contained enough to allow superior physiology to win. That is a far
cry from 10 yrs ago or even 6 years ago. It's a far cry from perfect
too, I realize that. "
Dude, your Google-fu is weak.
Vaughters used those words himself; he's been verified to use the account on the forum.

Here's the permalink to the discussion on the CyclingNews forum.
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1256285&postcount=4507

And here's the link to the overall thread:
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=18079

When you've read all of that, get back to me.
Thanks,
Stu
s***@gmail.com
2013-07-08 00:07:07 UTC
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http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1256285&postcount=4507
Post by Anton Berlin
Where's a source for these quotes attributed to Vaughters?
"My general opinion is that the most effective o2 vector methods of
doping have been very limited by bio passport, new methods, and
outright fear. Limited, does not mean eliminated. But if you limited
the gains made by o2 vector doping, even the 15% will not have much of
an advantage and it does not preclude a clean rider from winning.
That's my greater point, is that doping is far from gone, but it is
contained enough to allow superior physiology to win. That is a far
cry from 10 yrs ago or even 6 years ago. It's a far cry from perfect
too, I realize that. "
Nothing -
https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=%22That%27s+my+greater+point%2C+is+that+doping+is+far+from+gone%22&oq=%22That%27s+my+greater+point%2C+is+that+doping+is+far+from+gone%22&gs_l=hp.3...286.286.1.736.1.1.0.0.0.0.173.173.0j1.1.0...0.0...1c.1.17.psy-ab.LCGQXqUuSKM&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47883778,d.dmQ&fp=82ff4decb236eb8c&biw=1600&bih=803
Nada -
https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=%22My+general+opinion+is+that+the+most+effective+o2+vector+methods+of+doping+have+been+very+limited+by+bio+passport%2C+new+methods%2C+and+outright+fear%22&oq=%22My+general+opinion+is+that+the+most+effective+o2+vector+methods+of+doping+have+been+very+limited+by+bio+passport%2C+new+methods%2C+and+outright+fear%22&gs_l=hp.12...44111.53669.2.55647.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.3...1c.1.17.psy-ab.nKK-GfoWT7s&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47883778,d.dmQ&fp=82ff4decb236eb8c&biw=1600&bih=803
Zip -
https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=%22even+the+15%25+will+not+have+much+of+an+advantage+and+it+does+not+preclude+a+clean+rider+from+winning%22&oq=%22even+the+15%25+will+not+have+much+of+an+advantage+and+it+does+not+preclude+a+clean+rider+from+winning%22&gs_l=hp.3...35792.40813.3.41688.3.3.0.0.0.0.125.232.0j2.2.0...0.1...1c.1.17.psy-ab.v-hWsDdiEMI&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47883778,d.dmQ&fp=82ff4decb236eb8c&biw=1600&bih=803
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