Superdrome in Frisco News

Davey Crockett

2015-04-18 10:08:11 UTC

***@gmail.com a écrit profondement:

The bike couriers in Toronto, Canada, fabricated a 300 meter
figure of Eight crossover [Over and Under, not same level] plywood
surfaced track for under $500.

It was eventually dismantled due to the Couriers not having
permission to erect it on the "Spare Ground" they built it on.

| It's interesting to go back and read this more than 12 years later...
| Ryan Crissey
| On Friday, November 15, 2002 at 6:52:17 PM UTC-6, Mike Gladu wrote:
| > In article <pZCA9.4289$***@nnrp1.ptd.net>, "brian trdina"
| > <***@dejazzd.com> wrote:
| >
| > > > Cycling club on track to take over running the Superdrome
| > > > By IAN McCANN Staff Writer
| > > > Published November 7, 2002
| > >
| > > > At the time it closed, city officials said 450 to 700 wooden
| > > > boards needed to be replaced at a cost of $200,000. This spring,
| > > > 50 boards were replaced for $20,000.
| > >
| > > What the fuck kinda board costs $400...?!?!
| >
| > Lets play around with some numbers (mine are just a guesstimate - the
| > actual figures are a closely-guarded secret).
| >
| > Lets focus only on a complete resurface - the 50-board temporary fix was
| > an emergency project.
| >
| > Simpson Skid Guard panels (http://www.simpson-plywood.com/skidg.htm) are
| > thick, heavy, resin-coated laminated plywood panels that take an 8-10 man
| > crew and a fairly specialized process to fabricate and install on the
| > steel structure.
| >
| > The Superdrome in Frisco took a non-local hired-gun crew with manufacturer
| > support and supervision about 7 days to surface the first time. 738 unique
| > panels were fabricated on site from 615 5"x10" foot sheets of 1.125"
| > plywood. All the panels had to be horsed around, cut to shape, edge
| > sealed, drilled for mounting screws, screw holes sealed, lifted into place
| > and screwed down. 4-6 guys were installing while 2-4 fabricated sheets.
| > The completed surface was then test ridden, adjusted for smoothness, all
| > the screw holes sealed with putty and then the velodrome surveyed and
| > painted to UCI specifications.
| >
| > IIRC, the panels cost approximately $150 each ($92,250 cost, $95,000 with
| > shipping from Seattle, Washington to Frisco, Texas), the other materials
| > and tools ate up $2.5k (paint, tools, fasteners, rented
| > compressor/forklift/storage container, etc.) and room and board for the
| > imported crew another $2.5k.
| >
| > The remaining $100,000 of the price would be divided up among the 8
| > workers over 7 days to give each an average of $12,500, or $125 an hour
| > for the 100 hour week.
| >
| > That's assuming the contractor doesn't take his cut (yeah - RIGHT!
| > <grin>), no one worker is paid a higher rate (supervisor) and that these
| > workers will only build a few tracks a year.
| >
| > The payout is more likely to be $60k into the pocket of the contractor
| > (fee plus warranty), $30k for a trusted supervisor, 784 man-hours out of
| > the crew at $15,680 and the rest to room and board for the crew.
| >
| > Given that the new Frisco Superdrome operating organization is (AFAIK)
| > planning to use locally manufactured materials at a sigificant discount
| > (maybe half cost) and local volunteer labor - the price for a complete
| > resurface could be brought down considerably.
| >
| > At the bare minimum, my guesstimate for a slightly different kind of board
| > surface ($46,125 for 615 1.125" non-resin coated panels, plus shipping and
| > spares for costruction and afterwards) let's say $48,000. Another $2000
| > for tools and materials (same as above) brings us in at $50,000.
| >
| > Hiring a velodrome specialist to oversee the process is probably a good
| > investment. I'd budget another $10k for that.
| >
| > If you can't get good volunteers (woodworkers), then my 'guesstimate'
| > figure for hiring a six-man crew of 'local contract laborers' for two
| > weeks (672 man-hours) at about $12 an hour will run you $8064 (lets say
| > $10k with overtime).
| >
| > Insurance for the site may be covered by the land-owners (the University)
| > or the City. If not, add another $2k for a month of coverage (to cover
| > weather delays).
| >
| > Reasonable not-for-profit resurface guesstimate:
| > $50k + $10k + $10k + $2k = $72k.
| >
| > Between the guesstimates - non-profit bare minimum of $50k, the reasonable
| > $72k offer and the full-commercial rate of $200k, there's room for some
| > savings and quality options.
| >
| > Would I say it's unreasonable for the original manufacturer to ask $200k
| > for his expertise <grin> and working with a special material, proprietary
| > design and a difficult process?
| >
| > No.
| >
| > I'd personally want at least half that much to drop everything else, and
| > take on the whole job (and I wouldn't be giving you any warranty).
| >
| > Ryan appears to have a good handle on things, and a pretty well motivated
| > squad or supporters. Even if they get led down the primrose path on a few
| > technical and quality control items during the resurface (nobody's
| > perfect), I'm betting they will have a rideable surface on there for more
| > years than the previous management.
| >
| > Mike G.
| > -
| >
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| > Mike Gladu - Cycling Photojournalist & webmaster of "the 'drome"
| > Email: ***@velodrome.com Online: http://www.velodrome.com/
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Davey Crockett
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